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2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)
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Post Date: 01/13/11 @ 7:39PM Topic: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Okay everyone fear not! I am finally here with your official rules for the DDR tournament. Only reason why it has taken so long for me to finally get the ones up here for the tourney is because I've had a lot of people bouncing good ideas around and I haven't been sure how much I wanted to change it this year. Nakarumi, poor thing has been going knocking down doors trying to figure out what I have been going to do with these rules!

So after a lot of debate I have chosen to go with rules much like they have been in the past year. Just without the double elimination. It gets to messy.

The mixes that will be used will be DDR Max up to DDR Extreme. I will not be using Supernova or Supernova 2 because of the magnificent timing issues. Although if their is enough want for it I will scrap certain mixes off the list.

Songs are all Heavy/Oni. This is mandatory, no one in this tournament is allowed to use a difficulty below Heavy. All Oni songs must be approved by me and both participants must agree on doing it.

The rounds are best two out of three. Coin toss will determine who chooses the first song. The looser of the coin toss will pick second song. If a tie breaker is needed a Random song will be picked by the system. If the song is something that neither feel comfortable doing I may allow it to be changed to a new random song if the cause of changing songs is reasonable. Mixes may be changed during rounds if the participant wishes since I will not be going of the computers generated score.

Scoring method follows last years.

Perfect = 2
Great = 1
O.K. = 2

Anything else will not count towards your score.

I wanted to look into doing this a whole entire different way this year but after going over it over and over again I just wasn't able to find a way to pull it off this year which is why we have had some slight confusion towards the rules.

*As of now these are the OFFICIAL rules*

Any more questions can be directed at me or Nakarumi also if you wish to you can also contact me at Kagura.san@gmail.com with any concerns you have with the rules or questions about the tournament! I can't wait to see everyone there this year!

[Edited on 09/07/12 @ 6:09PM]


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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 1:38PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Will we be using Supernova 2 for this tournament? The picture for the tournament is Supernova 2, but it isn't stated anywhere.
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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 3:22PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Agreed, it would be good to know what what songs we would be playing.

Also, is there any chance we could have a song that everyone would play before the tournament for bracket seeding purposes?
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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 10:00PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

I'll have to verify the actual games we have in stock to see what songs will be available. Also, the rules may be changing shortly but I have received no acknowledgement on whether that is true yet. As soon as I hear word I will update!
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Post Date: 01/27/11 @ 8:38AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

I know you said that the rules may be changing so I'll try to make this sound as nice as possible even though the internet is bad at seeing how someone means something.

The fact that the opponent picks the difficulty is a huge huge disadvantage. Let me explain why. If player 1 picks a song and player 2 picks heavy/expert, and player 1 wins by say 50 perfect, then on the 2nd song player 2 picks a song and player 1 picks easy difficulty, it makes it where player 2 really can't make up ground on perfects due to most easy songs having ~100 steps or less. This is why I believe, since this has been widely accepted since i've been in the DDR arcade tournament scene, that it should be you win round 1, you are up 1-0 and if you win round 2 the match is over. Best 2 of 3 and you use round 3 only as a tiebreaker. That's how 99% of arcade tournaments are run.

Also, this really should be heavy/expert and Oni/Challenge difficulties only. That's my opinion, but that's what most tournaments follow.

If I sound overbearing I apologize, but I did want to express how I felt about this. If you are looking at ideas of changing the rules and/or improving them, and would like to talk them over with someone from the DDR Community, please let me know and I would be happy to assist in any way I can.
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Post Date: 01/27/11 @ 10:55PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

No no~ You are ever so right about the rules. I have known that they WILL be changing up to this point but I have been more on the marketing side of the tournament then the actual rules that will be used at the tournament. I am hoping and counting on the fact that they will be changed and updated this weekend but I have to get my hands on some information I've been seeking after for some time now first.

I promise they will be change and more accommodating for what you were stating just above.

Rest assured though, we are working on it.


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Post Date: 01/28/11 @ 2:27PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Okay everyone fear not! I am finally here with your official rules for the DDR tournament. Only reason why it has taken so long for me to finally get the ones up here for the tourney is because I've had a lot of people bouncing good ideas around and I haven't been sure how much I wanted to change it this year. Nakarumi, poor thing has been going knocking down doors trying to figure out what I have been going to do with these rules!

So after a lot of debate I have chosen to go with rules much like they have been in the past year. Just without the double elimination. It gets to messy.

The mixes that will be used will be DDR Max up to DDR Extreme. I will not be using Supernova or Supernova 2 because of the magnificent timing issues. Although if their is enough want for it I will scrap certain mixes off the list.

Songs are all Heavy/Oni. This is mandatory, no one in this tournament is allowed to use a difficulty below Heavy. All Oni songs must be approved by me and both participants must agree on doing it.

The rounds are best two out of three. Coin toss will determine who chooses the first song. The looser of the coin toss will pick second song. If a tie breaker is needed a Random song will be picked by the system. If the song is something that neither feel comfortable doing I may allow it to be changed to a new random song if the cause of changing songs is reasonable. Mixes may be changed during rounds if the participant wishes since I will not be going of the computers generated score.

Scoring method follows last years.

Perfect = 2
Great = 1
O.K. = 2

Anything else will not count towards your score.

I wanted to look into doing this a whole entire different way this year but after going over it over and over again I just wasn't able to find a way to pull it off this year which is why we have had some slight confusion towards the rules.

*As of now these are the OFFICIAL rules*

Any more questions can be directed at me or Nakarumi also if you wish to you can also contact me at Kagura.san@gmail.com with any concerns you have with the rules or questions about the tournament! I can't wait to see everyone there this year!


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Post Date: 01/29/11 @ 9:09PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Sorry, but these rules are still unfair. Let me give you an example:

Person A picks a song, gets 200 perfects, person B gets 150
Person B picks a song, gets 199 perfects, person A gets 150

Person A wins because they had more perfects overall, despite the fact that they did worse on the second song. Is this correct? It should be a simple if person A gets more perfects, they win that song. If they don't, they lose that song. In this scenario, Person A and Person B would be tied, and would have to go to a random song to determine the winner. I honestly think this is a lot more fair.

I also dislike the fact that there are no rules whatsoever against harder songs. A good player could just pick 10 footers and win over and over again. Max 300 has 555 steps, so an opportunity for 555 perfects, versus a regular 7-8 footer with anywhere from 300-400 steps (with 350 being an average). In your rules, as long as the person picking Max 300 gets enough perfects, it hardly matters how well they do on the second song. I don't think it is very fair.

[Edited on 01/29/11 @ 9:24PM]
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Post Date: 01/29/11 @ 11:15PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

but if someone can pick 10 footers constantly, then they deserve to win. they obviously have the better skill in the game. The thing that could stop that and still keep it fair would be you can't pick the same song over and over.



also, is there any way possible that since this is single elimination we can have a qualifier song to determine seeding position? random brackets have a way of not being accurate. just in case this isn't checked i'll email this idea to the one mentioned above.
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Post Date: 01/29/11 @ 11:32PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

i would highly agree to the qualifier song as well for bracket seeding purposes
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Post Date: 01/30/11 @ 2:36AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Belarus, I think you have misread my rules. :) But that's okay I can break it down for you.

Player A picks the song and gets the overall perfects for the song therefore they have won the song and moves on to song two.
Player B picks the song and gets the overall perfects and wins the song

Both players are now tied. Since the tournament is best two out of three they would go into a tie breaker to determine who wins. Whoever comes out of the tie breaker song with the most perfects would win the round and advance on to the next round.

There are no rules against harder songs because this is a skill based game and the person who has worked harder at learning the 10 footer songs who would go up against someone who can't do a 10 footer would win more than likely anyway.

To edouken. Random bracket seeding has never been a problem in fairness especially with such a small player field. Also it creates more havoc keeping everyone together to do the tournament when there is so much more going on. We have used random seeding every time in the past and have never had a problem with fairness because this is a skill based game.


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Post Date: 01/30/11 @ 2:40AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Also on a side note to Belarus and your worry about 10 footer songs. It's been my experience in the past that the ones who can do a 10 footer song usually do not play them unless they are on the final round and know that 1st place depends on it. I've only seen a 10 footer played before the final round maybe 2 or 3 times in my entire time running this tournament and that was because both players were extremely skilled, knew each other, and both talked about it before they played the song. I've noticed that the DDR community around here is very gracious towards everyone and usually tries not to make someone below their skill level feel out of their comfort zone.


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Post Date: 02/01/11 @ 10:40AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Out of curiosity, since this shouldn't take all day due to single elimination, is it possible you could work around us entering other game tournaments? I for one want to try my hand at BlazBlue, and was hoping we could work with that since it starts at 11 and ends at 1. I just remember last year we didn't even begin until about 1:30 or so.
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Post Date: 02/01/11 @ 12:42PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Yes I normally wait until 2-3pm to start the tournament so everyone has a chance to wake up, warm up, eat and digest before hand, and so people might can do something other than DDR. If you find a tournament that you want to enter that ends before mine begins you are more than welcome to. I'll probably begin at 2:30 this year so as long as you are there at about 2-2:15 when I start making sure everyone is present and go over rules one last time then you should be fine.


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Post Date: 02/01/11 @ 1:00PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

In addition to attending more than 1 tournament, keep in mind that you may need to seek direct authorization from either myself or Kagura. Since tournament registration is done by computer there may be some need for some manual adjustment; however, there shouldn't be too much of an issue so long as you KNOW that the two tournaments will not clash schedules.


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Post Date: 02/01/11 @ 1:23PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

I am sorry that DDR has apparently been starting WAYYYY later than scheduled all these years. If I had any idea this was going on we would have simply adjusted the schedule to match what was really happening so you could register for more than one tournament.

I believe starting later makes a TON of sense in DDR's case and just hate I can not fix it for this year (5000 programs have been printed plus 1000+ lanyard inserts with the schedule already on it.

I suggest you register for your other tournaments and then register for DDR manually with Sami.

Only people who are registered for DDR via our system will be guaranteed a spot in the event the tournament fills up.

I am allowing 32 spots as you can tell from the registration page and changing the tournament to Single elimination as requested by the tournament directors.

I highly suggest a time be determined NOW for the official start of the tournament. We are going to be very full this year and I don't want to confuse our attendees even more. SO if it is 2pm, then it is 2pm, if it is 3 that is fine just tell everyone now!


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Post Date: 02/01/11 @ 2:49PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Okay everyone please be present and ready to rock at 2:30 pm. As Mike said if you are going to register for a tournament along side of DDR make sure the times do not clash and please manually register with me on the day of the tournament!!!! I will be the female running around pulling her hair out :P JK JK! But seriously, my name is Sami and you will be able to find me in the Lounge where DDR will be held all day long, if you can't find me my assistant Nakarumi (Scott) will be able to help you out and get your information. As was stated before though, if the tournament fills up all 32 slots and you are registered for a different tournament in our system (You can only register online for one tournament) unless a spot frees up then you forfeit your spot. I do not mind placing people on standby if it comes down to it. I just want it to be known that registering for a different tournament means that it is possible that you may not be able to compete in DDR. It is highly unlikely though.


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Post Date: 02/02/11 @ 9:27AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

DDR is mainly what i'm coming for, so I'll stay registered online for that. I'll just make sure I get there in time to talk to the director of the BlazBlue tourney and make sure I can do both. If not, I'll just stick with DDR.
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Post Date: 02/02/11 @ 9:40AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Unfortunately I believe from the way Mike has explained it to me I'm the only one you will be able to manually register for. So the director of BlazBlue will not have the ability to allow you to manually register without being on his roster. My suggestion would be to sign up online for BlazBlue, talk to the director as soon as you arive and check if it will clash with the DDR tournament. If it will my suggestion would be use the computers upstairs to re-register for DDR in the system. It is your choice ultimately.


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Post Date: 02/03/11 @ 12:50AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

If you're allowed to play multiple tournaments, I'm interested and may try to play DDR as well, despite being massively out of practice and out of shape. :P
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Post Date: 02/03/11 @ 11:57AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Ok thanks Kagura.

I'll take my chances and stay registered with DDR and talk to the Blazblue Director. If I can't do that, then I'll just spectate that tournament. The timeslot listed isn't conflicting with what time you said DDR would begin. Just seems though if someone registered at the door, and didn't pre-register, they couldn't play in any tournaments except DDR. I may be wrong on that though.
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Post Date: 02/03/11 @ 1:28PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Hey all, I'm busy all day Saturday with organizing a basketball league, so have fun, haha.

Re: Qualifiers in Previous Years

I just wanted to make a suggestion on this -- if this is Single Elim with Random Seeding and you're not just giving medals to 1st Place, I'd recommend a qualifier -- One song with some technicality and difficulty that will make the bracket reasonable with seeding, especially with single-elim.

Last year with random seeding, Yellow Man got the luckiest draw by far, and I'd say the 4 best technical/competitive players participating were all in the other bracket. As a result, Jon (YM) had a Bye and then had to beat one player to get 3rd place guaranteed, and Chris (Kikit) had to play the 2nd place player (Danny, who is a monster at the game), then another player, and then the 2nd place player again in order to have any shot at 3rd place. Just being realistic, in any match last year, Kikit would have beaten Yellow Man by about 30-50 Greats per song. Both are friends, but being realistic, one is much more competitive with his scores. So bottom line, YM got a legit 3rd place medal, but his path to 3rd was infinitely easier than the 3rd-best player participating score-wise (and that's going by Nick having 500 arcade AAAs, Danny having at least 150, and Chris having a fair amount of SDGs).

So even with Double Elimination, things can happen hilariously with seeding without qualifiers. I suppose the line drawn is:
(1) If you want this to be a competitive and more accurate tournament, a one-song qualifier will help.
(2) If you want this to be a random free-for-all, go with what you have.

And none of those are meant to be pejorative, just trying to give some suggestions and logical options.

I'd just be frustrated if I were entering that I'd have to play the best player first round, and then whoever lost would be out of 1st place for good. This happened at Animazement a few years back -- it was random seeding, Single Elimination, 128-man bracket, top two got prizes. I played another guy who was the other favorite for the finals in the first round, I won, and he was so frustrated. I talked to the organizer and he thought the Single-elim was a bad idea after all, so we went Double-elim. It did work out, though it still wasn't optimal.

But anyway, have fun, haha,

...and I'm glad you got rid of the 'other player picks the difficulty,' which imo would have made it very odd.
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Post Date: 02/03/11 @ 4:01PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

I understand for time purposes that qualifiers may take too long, because i've ran 2 tournaments that had 100+ people qualifying for 2 seperate games (DDR and In The Groove) That was crazy, but if we have like 20 or less people, a qualifier would really help people out.
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Post Date: 02/05/11 @ 12:59PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

For those still keeping up with the forum up to the tournament, we're not having qualifiers but may return to a double elimination tournament depending on how many competitors we have register~

We'll keep you updated!


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Post Date: 02/07/11 @ 9:18PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official DDR Tournament Rules (Subject to change)

Alright! We had a request for the brackets in our DDR tourny to be posted on the web site so here's a link to how our brackets turned out in our DDR competition:

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