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2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules
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olsons4nc

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Post Date: 01/21/11 @ 3:50PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

I'm already in a band as an expert bassist, but I'd enjoy playing with other bands too! I could also do expert vocals if a vocalist is needed. :)


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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 12:14AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

I agree with jimirivers, we need to know about numbers of band members and if any thought has been put into the idea of some bands using a keyboard and some using a vocalist.

All of the chosen songs feature keyboard but I think that on a song like Rock Lobster a band that played all expert perfect with a vocalist would score higher than a band that did the same with a keyboard player since the keyboard part is over with 3 minutes left. On Freebird and Roundabout however the keyboard band would likely score higher.

Another important issue, harmonies and pro mode. I assume this won't be an option for guitar and bass but anyone with a keyboard could chose to do so if the option is allowed. Will the drum set have cymbals, will it be an Ion set or a Rock Band set? If a band isn't in all instrument mode are they allowed to use two and three part harmonies?

I feel like all of these things need to be addressed before the tournament.

Also, about style points. As far as I can tell it was an extremely vocal minority that complained very loudly about style points. I will concede that the way style points were awarded and factored seemed to be a bit arbitrary but that doesn't mean the idea should be abandoned because of a few sore losers. One of the things that separates Rock Band from other video games is the performance aspect of it, to lose this as a scoring factor in the tournament is a bad choice. Why have the tournament in an auditorium if it will be as much fun to watch as Super Street Fighter IV?

More people didn't score well last year because of the broken pedal than because of style points. It's no coincidence that the first three bands to play were the top three bands. Every band after that had a pedal that was breaking or totally broken.

Last year's competition was not fair but very little of that problem had to do with style points. If the pedal hadn't broken it's unlikely that the top three would have had all the same bands. Don't lose the style points because some people weren't content with their placement and have no sense of sportsmanship.
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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 12:50AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

i agree with having a seperate style prize. style is what makes it fun, take that away and no one is gonna wanna compete except for the...well i don't wanna talk down to my fellow competitors but let's just say, some of you complain about the stupidest things and forget that it's a game and it's designed for fun.

+1 vote to seperate Style Score


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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 12:54AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

Agreed with notyetbreathing! Style should be a separate award, like Ms. Congeniality. That way those who are intimidated by performing need not worry, just like mean girls can focus on winning pageants instead of being nice.
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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 1:05AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

will a band be allowed to have 5 members guitar bass vox drums and keys
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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 1:27AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

@JR Ewing and notyetbreathing

The rules were very clearly posted last year specifically saying that the performance bonus wouldn't affect the tournament enough to push a well performing band up over a well scoring band. That's precisely what was allowed to happen. You can call us sore losers all you want, but if the roles were reversed I think you'd feel just as sore as we did.

But that's last year, it's a new year and we have a new Tournament Director, so hopefully we can move on and still have a decent competition.

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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 2:12AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

Silent Jo: Why so touchy? I never called you a sore loser. You inferred that.

[Edited on 01/22/11 @ 2:13AM]
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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 3:47PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

+1 vote for separate style points!!!

I also believe "Need You Tonight" would pose a problem with how scoring is affected by the choice of vox/keys as the song has a whopping 24 notes total (1 note played 24 times... ANYBODY can GS/FC on expert pro after 1-2 restarts at most) and by itself provides a score of 3,000-4,000 points for the whole song.

I also agree with jaylo42 about the number of people question... in fact, could you play with all seven people? (as far as enjoyment is concerned)


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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 4:26PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

@Silent Jo - if the roles were reversed we wouldn't have cared because we had fun participating and didn't care if we won. hell the prize last year was bullshit so even if we did win we probably would have just given it to the people under us.

but yes you're totally right, it is a new year and a new competition, HOWEVER, what's a competition without some harmless rivalry ;-)


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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 4:33PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

and actually Jay, i DID call her a sore loser last year, but in my defense that was a pretty heated discussion and i was a bit more harsh than i should have been


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Post Date: 01/22/11 @ 4:37PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

I have another question. So, does everyone get 3 different songs out of nine for their own band, or are there 3 songs pulled out of nine that ALL the bands will play? Because, if one band got 3 easy songs, and another got 3 hard ones, wouldn't that be slightly unfair? (It doesn't matter that much to me, because if you win you win, you lose you lose, but some people don't think that way...)




(+1 vote for seperate style points!)


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Post Date: 01/23/11 @ 7:21AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

I assumed it would be the same three songs, but man three different songs would suck!

Also, on the vox vs. keys front I now believe that vox wins every time. As jimmirivers pointed out Need You Tonight is a glaring example but every other song shakes out about the same. Unless you can play perfect expert keys on Roundabout or Free Bird you'd be better off singing. In fact I was going to play keys this year instead of guitar but now it looks like I'll be singing so, Silent Jo, you are by far a much better vocalist than I so we officially pose you no threat. :)

Can we get a showmanship award? That would be awesome, because then I'd strap on that keytar and sing and who doesn't want to see a fat man with a keytar sing Free Bird off key while bouncing around onstage for 10 minutes?
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Post Date: 01/23/11 @ 10:05AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

Well I feel a bit out of place, I can only do hard on vocals.. LOL I just changed from medium to hard couple weeks ago LOL
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Post Date: 01/23/11 @ 4:35PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

@Mistress Ishbo, all the more reason for a Showmanship Award!!

[Edited on 01/23/11 @ 4:36PM]
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Post Date: 01/23/11 @ 6:17PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

i think these songs are crap. i mean the majorty of them are boring and others are just annoying. i could fall asleep through some of these songs. i think that some of these songs should be changed for misery business, beast and the harlot, crazy train, the beautiful people, before i forget, umanoid or songs similar to those. if im gonna listen to three songs about 15 times in 2-3 hours i at least want songs that won't bore me to death or make me wanna rip my hair out. idk im just saying that this tourney could use a much better selection of songs.
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Post Date: 01/23/11 @ 6:41PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

@Demon Waker,

Rafael your soo right lmao, listening to horrible songs the whole time the tourney lasts would deff make me wanna rip the hair I do have out!

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Post Date: 01/23/11 @ 8:34PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

Nevermind, found my old band from last year. See you guys there!


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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 7:40AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

Demon Walker: I'm no huge fan of all of the songs on the list just as I'm no huge fan of every song in Rock Band. A song being "horrible", however, is a subjective thing. I personally would hate to listen to any Marilyn Manson song once, much less 12 times and Beautiful People is probably at the top of that list. I feel similarly about nearly every song you mentioned, so just remember it's all in the ear of the listener.
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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 8:26AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

@JR_ewing

well im pretty sure that the majority of the people would agree with me in that all these songs are annoying and boring moreso than the ones i mentioned and that they would much rather play those. i would much rather listen to beast and the harlot 20 times before having to listen to rock lobster once...im just saying...but regardless of the songs or circumstances im very confident in my band and i know that we'll definitely win...just hope you all will have the original rock band instruments and not the horrible ion drun rocker or the guitar queero guitars
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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 9:54AM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

Dear sweet christ, I never imagined that the boards at CGS could ever get this heated...Well, I'm just gonna drop my opinions on some of the issues on hand

-Style Points: Someone earlier posted that it was clearly stated in the rules that style points last year were posted up as "not as important" (or such). However I firmly remember arriving at the tourney the day of and having the staff tell us that just sitting still and playing would be detrimental to our score and while actual score was indeed important, the style points was another huge factor. While I could sit here and bitch that the reason we got in 2nd place last year is because that the judges decided to go against that at the last minute and that I would've focused a whole lot more if so, blah, blah, blah. The point is, time has passed, not gonna cry over spilt milk (but still consider that a little cheap till today). As it stands I see that a lot of people are complaining that it would stink to sit there and watch and same 3 songs played over and over again...did it ever occur to you that you could just go walk around to different events? No one forces you to sit there and watch all the bands. Find out when your band will be playing and estimate about when you need to be back and later leave and roam around till awards. That's what I did and I had a blast seeing the rest of CGS. So if we do keep style points I think we need to make a clear line of how much they count. 20%, 50%, 0%, I don't care, just make it obvious.

-Instrumentation/Difficulties: With the way the game stands I think we can all agree that pro settings should be ruled out. While you could possibly bring in pro keys, it doesn't seem quite fair to the rest of the instruments (unless if you want to provide the pro guitars as well). And on that note, the keys themselves are a bit of a grey area. However, seeing as how they won't be provided then I believe that they should not be allowed in the tournament. Nothing against key players, it just wouldn't work with the fact that adding keys adds more to the score completely throwing the whole system out the window.

-Songs: I believe I'm right in saying that it's about time that those who are complaining about the setlist "shut up and move on". Nothing against you people but seriously, this is a tournament, not your own personal game night. "BUT I WANNA PLAY BEAST AND THE HARLOT!!" tough luck, the songs were chosen, deal with it and practice. Also, I believe were all right in saying that the songs need to def. be picked the day at the tourney and not a minute sooner. No one, staff or attendee should know what songs are going to played. And while I don't see a need for change in the actual setlist, I will just jump in with the idea that I do have to agree that a song like "Free Bird" is simply too long for this many bands to play. But if the staff want to keep it that way, I'll get to practicin'. As for the rest of the setlist, some I'm happy about, some not so much (Rock Lobster included), but again, I'm not in right to say what everone should be playing, that's why there are staff members for that.

Phew, sorry for the long message here guys, I hope some of what I said here can sink in and we can all be a bit more civilized.


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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 1:07PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

lol ok 1st of all this was never a heated conversation i was just stating a personal opinion just as u have. 2nd i never said i "WANTED" 2 play these songs, i just said i would much rather play them. the reason 4 this is because as u stated free bird is 2 long and would take up 2 much time. i mean damn its the longest song from all 3 rock bands. and im sure u would agree with me in that there are much better songs in the game than the ones mentioned 2 be in the tourney including but not limited 2 the ones i have mentioned. since it is a competition i think they should add more difficult songs. the only difficult one on the list is roundabout but almost all the others are pretty easy. this is why i mentioned A7X. all the instruments in it have at least a five. hmmm...now i can see why u might not want that song in... :)
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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 3:07PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

Beast and the Harlot:D
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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 4:02PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

actually, Green Grass and High Tides is the longest song from all three Rock Bands at 9:56 (barely) as harmonix decided to botch the ending of Free Bird (now only 9:31 as opposed to 10:08 like the song should be) and the only one who has it easy is the vocalist because with the execption of two songs, all of them are tier 5 and higher on guitar (no symbols means tier 1) but I would agree that they could have picked a few better songs (my opinion only) so the only thing i'm intrested in is my previous questions about tne number of people, instrumentation, and the practice song if there is one.


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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 4:17PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

I really hope that the instruments will not be the original rockband ones. I hate the flat buttons and the neck digs into my palm. I'd prefer guitar hero knock-offs, but I guess we'll have to take what we can get.


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Post Date: 01/24/11 @ 5:28PM Topic: Re: 2011 Official Rock Band 3 Tournament Rules

i'm personally hoping for Queen, Hypernova, and T.Rex out of that list, maybe Night Ranger. every other song on the list would be a terrible choice.

@olsons4nc i'm curious as to why you prefer the guitar hero guitars? those things are terrible. it is impossible to slide your hand up and down the neck without the flat buttons. and the stupid touch bad at the base of the neck of the GH guitars are completely useless.


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