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The_Real_LP

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Post Date: 02/06/11 @ 11:30PM Topic: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

Hey Everyone!

I hope you all had fun with the Rock Band 2011 Tournament! Congrats to the winners!

Now, down to business. What do we do next year? What *I* Would like is to get anyone who competed this year and previous years in here. Brainstorm ideas to make things run better and smoother.

I am very surprised at how well it went this year, even with the lack of time and preparations.

Any suggestions on how to do this is appreciated. The way i see it (and the way we run on FraggedNation) is that What the community wants, the community gets (within reason) I just do the paperwork and let you run with it. Now, with the time restraints this year, i was not able to do that as much as i would have liked and i know that it showed.

Next year will be different. I want ALL of your opinions on it. What can we do to make it better?

Now, i talked to a few of you already before we left the event. I know your ideas. But, please get them in here for others to know as well.

One thing that has been decided on already is that next year, you are only allowed to be in 1 band. no substitutions. What is listed as a "Full Band" on the tournament page is what goes.

Other than that, Song choice, Showmanship, Game choice, anything really. I have so many ideas going in my mind right now. Lets get your ideas.


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Post Date: 02/07/11 @ 4:25PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

I liked that the showmanship award was separate and had NO idea that we'd win that as well so awesome there... as for song choices I would suggest that a poll is taken so that the 9-12 or so most popular songs are picked (although it was close to being a lot less bands this year if "Rock Lobster" were to have been picked... not to mention a LOT less people in the auditorium). Other than that, there's not much to change that I know of... although the prizes could have been a little better but i understand about time and money constraints but if i'm not mistaken, last years tourney winners got equipment as well... but again, oh well...


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Post Date: 02/07/11 @ 7:32PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

Alright. Thanks.

So, Suggestions i have for next year:

1. Different Game (RB2, GH:WOR, etc..)
2. Different way of song selection
3. Different Venue (enclosed room, not the auditorium)
4. Minimum difficulty limit. (Must play hard or Expert to be in the first selection of bands)
5. NO SUBSTITUTIONS (Suggested by Michael)
6. No Keys
7. 4 Members and ONLY 4 members to compete. Bands must have a Bass, Guitar, Drum and Vocal to compete. No more, No less.

If you have others, please let me know!


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Post Date: 02/09/11 @ 11:49AM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

i think that the tourney should remain rock band 3. definitely not guitar hero. i also agree with people voting for songs rather than having random songs picked...or have something like a single elimination where a two bands compete; one band picks a song, the other band picks a song and the last song is picked randomly. both bands play all three songs and the band with the highest score advances to the next round...something like playoffs. i hope that wasnt too confusing lol.

i know you said to not mention the calibration lag but i think the simplest way to fix this would be to just play on crt tvs.

anyway i had to leave early cuz something came up so i dont know what the standings, final scores and the prizes were does anyone mind telling me if you know this???

all in all the tourney was pretty fun. i'll definitely be there next year. btw im The Last Stand's drummer XD
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Post Date: 02/09/11 @ 12:02PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

oh and i think that if anything you should get the pro drums and allow them to be played with the cymbals since they arent really a whole different instrument like the guitars
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Post Date: 02/10/11 @ 3:57PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

1. Different Game (RB2, GH:WOR, etc..)

why would we go back down to Rock Band 2? that makes no sense to me. Rock Band 3 is out and it is the best of all 3 games. we COULD however have the song selection be expanded to include all 3 games and not just the RB3 game disc games. that would make more sense than completely changing games


2. Different way of song selection

ultimately no one is going to be happy with the songs, some people want heavy songs, some people want fun songs. i say stick with having the event coordinator choosing the songs and just have people stop bitching about it.

3. Different Venue (enclosed room, not the auditorium)

this is the stupidest idea yet. why have it in an enclosed room where it's crowded and loud and you have a smaller tv. it's fucking ROCK BAND people... you play on a stage. if this changes, no one will compete.

4. Minimum difficulty limit. (Must play hard or Expert to be in the first selection of bands)

this is just not fair to other players. let people play at whatever difficulty they want. what does it hurt? absolutely nothing..

5. NO SUBSTITUTIONS (Suggested by Michael)

what substitutions are you talking about?

6. No Keys

first great idea i've heard so far

7. 4 Members and ONLY 4 members to compete. Bands must have a Bass, Guitar, Drum and Vocal to compete. No more, No less.

again, completely agree


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Post Date: 02/10/11 @ 4:46PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

I would agree that the list should expand to all three disc songs available on RB3 (although that would exclude a select few great ones, the list overall is awesome as is).

As far as choosing songs, the poll idea is awesome.

No keys? no problem.

Separate showmanship award should remain the same.

@notyetbreathing - No substitutions means that you shouldn't fill in for another band if you've already played in another... that's why the placement this year was so screwed up... another band bailed on the one person who showed up to play and since it WAS allowed to be in more than one band, the members for the 1st place band played in place of thier band and ended up second as well, but to be fair, they were incorperated as 1st as well, which in turn screwed up the prize distribution as well... 4 prizes for 5 people.

Four people and ONLY four people seems fair, but if someone wanting to show off vocaltar/vocalbass skills would be out of luck.


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Post Date: 02/10/11 @ 5:08PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

oh, and as far as a diffrent venue, if it is in an enclosed room, i agree that A.)it would be WAY too overcrowded and as loud as it was in '09, and B.) it wouldn't be fair to anyone attempting to sing above the crowd AND try to hit the correct pitch as it would be hell to say the least.

and for lag (yes, i read the post above) i would agree to use standard T.V.'s instead since they don't need calibrating.

and the idea of each band choosing for playoff style competition that was another major P.I.T.A. in '09 as the band that chose one of the highest scoring songs not only got a free second round, but got to play last AFTER seeing how everyone else played (or lack thereof) giving them an easy win... if you wanna go playoff style, IF there are enough bands, do the poll idea, and the first round, everybody plays one song (director's choice for ALL rounds) then take the highest scoring half and pair them up and they play two songs and if there's enough bands for another round, rinse and repeat (just with diffrent songs) and the last two (or three) bands compete for placement with three songs. that's 3-4 rounds and 6-8 songs played as opposed to everybody playing the same 2-3 song setlist that CAN (if the songs permit it) to become very boring over 3-5 hours of playing... But if there aren't enough bands (like less than eight minimum) then it should remain the same style tourney it has been the last two years


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Post Date: 02/10/11 @ 11:32PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

oh wow, i didnt know about the whole scoring debacle because the people i was with decided they wanted to go home long before the awards ceremony. i can see how that can be problematic. i know mine and my friends reasoning for having two bands was one band for scoring and one band for straight fun, but i can deal with only being in one band to avoid confusion

and i would MUCH prefer a tournament type setup. playing the same three songs all day does get boring AND the first band that plays pretty much has nothing to do for the rest of the event. it would be much better to play a song or two, then break then another song or two. that would be much more fun in my opinion


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Post Date: 02/10/11 @ 11:33PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

oh and let's NOT have the tournament start at 10am when people are still standing in line trying to get in the doors. kthx


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Post Date: 02/11/11 @ 1:40AM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

^^^agreed. They should at least have the doors open an hour before any tourneys begin so everyone can get where they are supposed to be.

I can go either way with the song setup. Hearing the same three songs doesn't really bother me as much as it should (I think I would have had to change my mind about that if Rock Lobster was chosen, however lol). I did like how they were doing it to start off with in 2009, with each band choosing a song. So either way, I'd be good with.

jo


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Post Date: 02/16/11 @ 8:24AM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

ok so i agree with most of this but one thing i do wana mention is that there should be an adjustable throne 4 the drummer instead of a chair especially one with arm rests. im used 2 sittin up higher than where the chair was and i like 2 swing my arms alot when im playin and the arm rests made that just a bit hard. and i def think that exporting the songs from rb2 and rb1 would be a great idea even though some great songs would be excluded i.e. enter sandman :/
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Post Date: 02/16/11 @ 2:59PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

yeah Demon, an adjustable throne would be great! I was considering bringing my own. I'm used to sitting lower to the ground, but the chair wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

jo


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Post Date: 09/15/11 @ 7:06PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

so you wouldn't be able to swap band members between bands.... but how about band members switching out instruments? i.e. the guitarist plays on drums for a song, then back to guitar/bass for another song, etc. but staying within thier respective bands?


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Post Date: 09/23/11 @ 1:34PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

@jimmirivers - Switching out instruments within their respective band is perfectly fine.

Now that we have more than 2 weeks to get this setup, It should run a lot more smoothly than last time. I actually have time to figure everything out instead of just throwing it together over a weekend.


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Post Date: 12/28/11 @ 10:23AM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

First of all, running a Rock Band Tourny shouldn't be so hard. Its all about appealing to the participants while still making it fair, fun, and straight forward.

With that being said, here is my response to any one's suggestions.

First and foremost, Limiting the difficulty is an amazing idea. It will weed out all the scrub nubs who think they can play "difficult" songs just because they beat Radium Eyes on Expert on GH 2. See it this way: 1. They see that they can't play on a prayer and hope to get by on Easy/Medium, and don't bother entering the tournament. 2. If they have the balls to enter any way, the songs will make quick work of them. Either way, it gets the lames out of the way. No offense, but really. Its a tournament. You go to show you are the best in the area. If you know you don't even come close, then why bother wasting the rest of our time. We are already for SOME reason rushed because we are short on time, so why enter. They will just do more harm than good.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for having fun, and I know how it feels not to be good enough to compete AND stand a chance in ANY tourny (I used to be that kid.), so if at all possible, couldn't we have another bracket/tourny for those levels?

Next:Yes, we should take a poll on the thread on which songs should be done. Popular ones, mostly. With a good range of "Noob Easy" to "Holy Hell, thats some hard Shit". No problem there.

Prizes will be prizes. You paid $10 to get in. People who ever complained after placing should feel lucky that they even let you up on stage to get a prize to begin with. QQ, scrubs. The economy sucks, deal with it. You want an awesome prize? Then go to a strict tournament where people travel hundreds of miles and pay $25+ to enter. But most of you wouldn't even come close to placing in a Tournament like that, now would you?

Though this would severely tick off one of my teammates, i do suggest we go BACK to RB2. To those who say RB3 has a better song selection, Kick rocks and suck the juiciest lemon God gave you. You're wrong. Cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it. RB3 failed to deliver in song selection. It literally pains me to play the game for extended hours, and I am easily amused. Yes, it has keys. Thats great. But for some of you whose judgement is clouded by features and new equipment separating the two games, I bet you would like RB2 better if it had Keys. Yeah? Exactly. But again, this is about the songs, not what you can PLAY in the songs. That being said, changing the game could work, or expanding the song selection to all three games could work out better. It really doesn't phase me and my teams chances.

Yes, yes, OH GOD YES, put us in a room. At least for the first part of the tournament. Back when I first came, we had it in a room. We play it though a projection on to a screen. Participants in the middle, fans/friends/onlookers against the wall. There was no real noise, even with the door open. If it got too loud( Which it didn't), a simple "Quiet down please" would have fixed everything. That was the most smoothly going Rock Band Tourny that I have ever been to. And what they did with the winning team (even though they won by the grace of God because they sucked bawls) was let them do ONE song at the end of the tournament on stage. Simple.

Demon Walker makes a good point. I agree, except the third song possibly. One, it could save on Game Summits "oh so precious time", and two, going off of one, that way we don't have to rush, which will help it be a lot more enjoyable. Combine this, and my last paragraph, and you will have the tournament I stated above. Which was the best one we've ever had. And sorry for busting your seemingly invincible bubble NotYet, but people will compete. If they don't, it will be easier for us. I would hate to think people would want to come to a tournament based off skill just to get their 10 minutes of stage time the really don't deserve. Yet again, just a waste of our time.

There are some other things I might want to point out, but I tire of looking over this bull shit, really. Its not that hard. Make a suitable tournament, people will come none the less. I like that you want to make sure as many of your participants are happy, but that could cause even more 'over thinking'. Just do a simple, time-useful tournament that kicks ass.

Or don't. Its up to you. As long as there is no more bull shit with the equipment like the last 2 years, my team WILL get first, like we should have for the last 2 years as well.

~Jetsu, TNE: The New Era


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Post Date: 12/28/11 @ 10:47AM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

ok sooo you ask how could we make the rockband competition better this year?

1. No RB3.. that game just sucks.. RB2 has way better songs and is more suit for a competition rather than RB3.

2. Taking it back to the room would be greatly appreciated because idk about the rest but when im trying to stay focused on a rhythm i'd like the crowd to not be clapping off beat to the song =p

3. This is a competition, therefor the game should only be played on expert level. At the very least the first round should be Hard then only Expert.

4. There is always some kind of equipment failure because people get up there and bash away on the drums and other equipment for the stupid showmanship award. Lol im not Justin beiber trying to look flashy on stage, i came to dominate at rockband, if i wanted to look like a retarded pop singer, id make videos of youtube.

5. THERE IS ALWAYS LAG. for gods sake, please please please please please please please get a tv that has no lag. Honestly the HD tv's look better but i cant hit a damn note because nobody knows how to calibrate correctly. So either get a new tv that doesnt have to be calibrated.. or.... Get one of the band to calibrate it correctly -.-

6. About the songs.... idk about you but playing the same 2-3 songs over and over and over again makes me wanna cry. People get sick of the same crap. Have the list randomly generated. and if a hard song comes up that a band cant play. OH WELLLLLLLLLLL. sucks for you huh? shoulda practiced harder.
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Post Date: 12/28/11 @ 10:50AM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

I'd like to introduce you to Vyrmin, TNE's Rock Band Guitarist, and the best console guitarist in the area. :)


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Post Date: 12/28/11 @ 1:51PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

Well, I haven't even seen a posting saying there will be a tourney yet, so I don't know what the deal is with that yet.... and again, everything but the enclosed room idea is awesome by me.

@Jetsu - If your guitarist is even half of what you describe, I'll look foward to ACTUAL competition this year instead of the idiots who thought they could play keys (thank god there won't be any this year) and made their whole band suck!!


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Post Date: 12/29/11 @ 10:07AM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

That is true. There is no Rock Band tournament information up. I really hope they don't wait until 2 weeks before CGS to bring it up like last year.

And yeah, my team will give you a run for your money. If the equipment is fine, we will at win, if not place again.


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Post Date: 01/04/12 @ 6:02PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

I heard that they ditched the Rockband tourney this year for Kinect Dance Central 2... D: I'm really upset about it...


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Post Date: 01/04/12 @ 6:08PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

But! If we do have one (which would make me EXTREMELY happy) I agree with:

1. Go back to RB2

2. NO HD TV's

3. Poll for songs

4. Wired and unwired guitars (And it's not a drastic idea, but I would like for there to be a GH guitar, I like the buttons that stick out, but that's just my own preference)

5. Only expert levels. I'm sorry to different level players, but it seems to take up time, and compared to people who actually play on expert, there's no real chance for them...


For now that's all that comes to mind. I realllly hope there's a RB tourney this year!!!!!:/


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Post Date: 01/14/12 @ 5:06PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

@ Jetsu. you are so bad. Worst Rock Band player ive ever seen. You or anyone in your "band" doesnt come close to me. I can play all 3 instruments at once while doing vocals and still get a better score. You're sad. Get on my level. Your friend, Dlove :)
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Post Date: 01/22/12 @ 6:40PM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

well, so much for getting the tourney set up earlier this year....


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Post Date: 01/23/12 @ 3:51AM Topic: Re: How do we make Rock Band better for 2012?

Yeah they obviously aren't thinking very clearly here.

Let's see.

Do I want to run a tournament that requires 4 people per team (with a total earning of $40) and draw in at least 6-8 teams (total of $240-$320).

Or do I want to run a tournament that just requires one person going against one person (as of this post there's one person signed up, for a grand total of $10). With all hopes and dreams that people will wander by the auditorium and say "well golly, I think I can do that dance thingie in front of that there Kinect gadget!" and then run up to the sign-up room and put themselves in to the tournament.

I've been in the RB tournament for the past 3 years, and ups and downs aside, I always had a good time. Now I'm taking my $10 and having my good time elsewhere. At Beerfest this weekend. Maybe next year CGS...


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