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aRukus
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Post Date: 01/29/12 @ 6:10PM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

what is this stupidity you speak of? it takes 2 seconds to take 1 controller out and plug in another, and after the game get the player to plug the event owned controller back in, in case another player needs to use it.

after looking around the site i found this in the old tournament thread.

Meeverett said:

Your absolutely correct we will have wired controllers and Vibras 5.1 headsets like last year. These controllers are used just for this tournament and then boxed all year. So they should be in mint condition with only 1-2 days use on them. But BYOController is understandable and allowed.



[Edited on 01/29/12 @ 6:16PM]


CGS 07 2nd place Halo2 4v4
CGS 08 2nd place Halo3 4v4
CGS 09 3rd Place Halo3 4v4
CGS 12 2nd place Halo:Reach 4v4 and Top12 FFA

I destroy locals and I dont even play the game!

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Post Date: 01/29/12 @ 8:01PM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

OLD THREAD! Sorry i am not going to waste my time on this childish matter. Good day!
aRukus
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Post Date: 01/29/12 @ 8:29PM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

its childish, its funny how the staff of CGS is always the one to start the name calling to the participants that help run their events and make it what it is. man this is DEJA VU. I think you are making a mistake by not letting players use their own controllers and you call me/it childish when I try to persuade you other ways. Seems to me like someone just doesnt want the responsibility. Thats the only thing childish here

you go over to the COD tourney this year they are allowed to bring their own controllers.


CGS 07 2nd place Halo2 4v4
CGS 08 2nd place Halo3 4v4
CGS 09 3rd Place Halo3 4v4
CGS 12 2nd place Halo:Reach 4v4 and Top12 FFA

I destroy locals and I dont even play the game!

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Post Date: 01/29/12 @ 8:43PM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

1. Pyro, mlg does allow you to use the onza controllers
2. I know that this isn't mlg but that shouldn't affect you from making the best possible tournament experience. And it seems like a lot of people are in outrage b/c of this (though they could be more respectful)
3. The tournament last year was run (could be wrong) where you could use there controller AND your own. I don't see a problem with that?
4. Theres still "inconsistencies" with using other controllers. We practice/use our controller all the time and even for ppl that have been gaming for a long time it can take time to get used to playing with a certain controller. So if I play round 1 with one controller and then another controller the next... its kinda bad... I know that sounds like a bad execuse and it kinda is. Plus if they are brand new... I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl won't want to play with a new controller. Theres also the weight of the controller which can play a difference with just how comfortable it is. (why mlg paid attention to play with the weights to remove/keep in the controller)

Hopefully you re think this (regardless if you keep the settings the same)
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Post Date: 01/29/12 @ 8:56PM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Fiasco i dont think i have been disrespectful at all


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Fiasco
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Post Date: 01/29/12 @ 10:40PM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

You said "what is this stupidity you speak off"
Didn't read all of it but all that what was needed, obviously you might not think that is disrespectful but it's an opinion and may not be the best way to convince them from re thinking there decision

I just don't understand the need to change, last year went finely regarding the issue of bring your own controller.
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 12:16AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

look. ive been going to this for 4 or 5 years ago and have participated in all halo tourneys except for last years 4v4...cough...cough... every year we can use our own controllers. this tourney is set up using MLG Rules etc etc. much like every year. Any MLG player knows you use your own wired controller....using a diffrent one is like playing with a diffrent weighted bat than your use to..w.e dumb example but still. Making use use your controller is absurd. it will make alot of pep in the tourney upset and not going to enjoy it. all im saying . let us use our own controllers please :)
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 12:21AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

He came in the thread isnt running the tourney and started to troll and flame the people that pay for the event. Why do i even waste my money/time coming to these and supporting this the staff is the first to talk trash to participants/customers. He was throwing insults at anyone with an opinion i asked where the stupidity was because he threw the word out there. Thanks for admitting you didnt read it all and then commenting on it thats the worst thing to do.


BYOC shouldnt be a problem but this is what happens when you put the DDR director in charge of something she knows nothing about

[Edited on 01/30/12 @ 12:24AM]


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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 12:22AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

we really appreciate you guys making the rules MLG settings. Its like that every year. Thank you we appreciate..but to not let us use our own controllers. would drive every MLG player. although this tournement isnt for just (mlg) people i understand that . but this is crazy...also you can google it anywhere. ALOTTTT of brand new out the box controllers have issues...auto fire. slow turn..etc. please guys cmon i love forward to this every year ive been going for years. dont take the fun out of it. with this new rule......
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 12:44AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

So if i slow turn u going to stop the match and let me get a replacement? just wondering.

[Edited on 01/30/12 @ 12:44AM]
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 1:14AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

@rukus
I read and my opinion remains unchanged (and I read all of what they said, since thats the only thing that seems to matter atm)
You can still be disrespectful if you defend yourself/other ppl being disrespectful.
And agreed that I should have read everything first before posting.
I can understand the TD not wanting us to use our headphones b/c that can be different (tho imo you should still be able to) but you should have the option to bring your own controller or let the ppl playing do a vote.
possibly everyone say something, or (probably not the best choice) but b4 every match have two teams agree to something.
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 4:35AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

if u dont mind me asking..will we be useing the vibras headsets again this year & what brand name and model monitor...? -live ammo
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 5:05AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Do you feel sad? Than watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBu30_WITcI&list=UUz3EMXpPKkjp1c-0BdJ8QDQ&index=4&feature=plcp

[Edited on 01/30/12 @ 5:06AM]
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 8:44AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Believe me, I'm on the side of allowing you guys to bring your own controllers, but for whatever reason, if the tournament hosts won't allow it, then at the end of the day it's their call. I understand the effects of slow-turn and that it does cause a major decrease in performance if you've been using a controller without it. However, I do think it's sad to see the enthusiasm for playing in a tournament, in a localized setting, go so low simply due to one mechanic... Tournaments are fun and a lot of times the rules vary. I'm pretty sure Rukus went to the TGN Halo 3 event back in Raleigh a couple years ago (terrible event, Lunchbox won everything v.v) but they had some skewed rules at the time. The thing is that slow-turn in itself won't make or break your play-style, and while you can make the argument that it's the same case as a PC gamers mouse and keyboard, it isn't.

My computer mouse, a Razer Naga, is physically different. It has 12 buttons on the side of it. If I played SC2 without it, then I would have to learn a whole different way to use control groups in the game (a system of grouping units so they can be controlled at one time). In the case of a console player however, the controller is still physically the same. They are all (assuming I'm correct here) official Microsoft products, but it could be a lot worse, they could all be aftermarket controllers with even more problems than just slow-turn.

While I am all for players bringing their own controllers, I think the fact that the argument has escalated to this level is not right. You should come to this event, you should play in the tournament, and skill transfers regardless of controller, so you should win the tournament. If the statement that Halo revolved simply around landing shots to win the game was accurate, then I'd make a more fierce argument on your side, but it's not. Halo's meta-game has evolved greatly over the past couple years and the game is more about team movement than simply landing shots (which you can do almost as well with a slow-turn controller, just get some warm-ups in before the tourny, they almost always have some free-play). Anyway, hopefully you guys show to the tournament, and hopefully comments that have been a little rude on both sides can subside.
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 9:19AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Using our own controller should be allowed i just recieved my mlg controller and if i cant use it in a lan environment tjen i wont come along with the other 10-12 people that are influenced by the hard headedness of the director.

These events have gotten better thru the years but you are noq takimg a step back. Over something so simple

[Edited on 01/30/12 @ 9:27AM]


CGS 07 2nd place Halo2 4v4
CGS 08 2nd place Halo3 4v4
CGS 09 3rd Place Halo3 4v4
CGS 12 2nd place Halo:Reach 4v4 and Top12 FFA

I destroy locals and I dont even play the game!

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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 9:21AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Slow turn can make a huge difference
This might sound "ignorant/egotistical" but playing "high lvl" halo is different from playing matchmaking/customs.
The difference btwn being able to get that extra shot and not can be the difference btwn getting getting behind a team/keeping yourself or teammate alive/finishing a flag or stopping one
Or the ability to turn so you can run away faster so that you do the opposite (to stay alive)

From someone whos played with a slow turn controller one round at an event and then a no slow the next round... the difference can be huge. There's also the fact that ppl take out there vibrations so it makes it more comfortable for the gamer (myself included).

Regardless I plan on coming and winning (as many others are I'm betting) But there doesn't seem to be any real reason to not be able to bring your own controller esp with ppl complaining so much (myself included)

I feel at the very least the TD can decide to have a vote for us to be able to use our own controllers and possibly our headphones at the tournament. Another TD said bring all your stuff with you to the event but leave it in your car until you get the ok to bring it. Since all ppl don't visit the forums, then if we had a vote it would be best to do it when everybody has a say.

Edit: Also what about ppl that are used to playing with a different controller. In this case rukus is using the new mlg controller. Should a player be penalized b/c he doesn't use the Microsoft controllers? I could understand if ppl were in favor of using same controller (and some may might be at the tournament) so that makes more sense to leave this to a vote then anything.

Also pyro, holding back button is HUGE in halo to see who is alive and who isn't. To know if a certain player is dead who might be behind you, hitting it before you pull flag which can help influence you to where you pull the flag and a lot of other things. The physical controller of a Microsoft controller and a mlg controller with the back button is different (with the spacing) and could play a problem. Is it an excuse? Yeah it is but I'm sure no one wants to leave the tournament thinking they got bs'd b/c of that. And I play with a normal wired black controller (which feels quite different from the normal white wired controller)

[Edited on 01/30/12 @ 9:29AM]
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 10:28AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Fiasco, I see what you did there... Lol, I understand the function of the back button, and I'm no stranger to tournament play for Halo. I agree that you guys should be upset about not being allowed to use your own controllers, but don't say that you won't come to the event over it. Yes, the tournament director is using a very non-standard approach to this, but going as far to say you won't attend or play in the event (Rukus) then that seems a bit uncharacteristic of competitive players. There's a difference between competitive and elitist. There's no reason not to still attend this tournament and play, because EVERYONE would have the same disadvantage. No?

Related, but not completely: Yeah I do hate it for you Rukus because those new MLG controllers are sick! Can you purchase the different thumbsticks yet? I remember at Raleigh I saw some of the different modules they had and I was interested in seeing how the really tiny thumbstick was :P

Back to topic: IMO, bring your gear to the event, have a mass vote for everyone participating, if majority says it's good to use your own gear, do it. Then there'd literally be no reason the director should disagree with it because there wouldn't really be a reason to.
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 10:39AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

I said I plan on going and winning. (not that other ppl won't have that mindset also)
But I use a wired black controller not the mlg controller.

And it will be a disadvantage to rukus. He will go from using the the mlg controller to using a white Microsoft controller. Not sure if you read b/c I pointed that out and pointed out that rukus would be at a disadvantage.
Not only that, but he's going to the tournament to lan with it and if he can't do that then he doesn't want to come. It's also about principle.
And pointed out the back button b/c it's a different feel compared from the mlg/microsoft controller. mlg pros have "complained" about that and will take time to get used to it... so if they see a difference I'm pretty sure others will.

Also, some controllers may or may not have slow turn. So if I slow turn and the other player(s) don't... I'm automatically at a disadvantage.

There's also a difference btwn being a TD and a dictator. Not saying td is yet, and I am unsure if she has read this. But if valid points have been made, which I believe have been made. Then she should re think this regardless if the rules changes.
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 10:55AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

even if i was using my M$ controller that had broken in the last week, say hello to a terrible slow turn, then i still would be upset because every controller is different, I went ahead and bought this controller because in the end it will pay for itself due to all the fault microsoft products being put out there for consumers. I had it shipped in time so I could play with it online and then be able to use it in a lan environment.

I have been attending these events since 07 and every year they have gotten better, by not allowing players to use their own stuff, they are taking a major step back. Every year I have helped each director run their tournaments as smoothly as possible. I will volunteer to help with security of the controllers that they supply to make sure no one runs off with them.

Also to save time to offset the huge time problem you think using controllers will add. Before everything starts, turn on the xboxes. Make a profile on each. During the tourney no one changes the profile names the only thing they change is their call sign and button layouts. Theres a few minutes being made up right there.

It upsets me that I try to help out and I get called childish and stupid. I look at the time at CGS as a time to play lan more than the tournament and myself and others want to play with our equipment while doing so.


To the ones asking about the controller, I use the 360 sticks with the ps3 Dpad, it comes with PS3 sticks/dpad as welll at 360 sticks/dpad. the controller is flawless and worth the money, because in the end a M$ will last a few days if that before the sticks deteriorate or starts to slow turn if it didnt right out of the box. I didnt see the reason to spend 40ish bucks on a controller every few months, when I can pay a little more at the beginning and have a 2 year warranty.

[Edited on 01/30/12 @ 10:57AM]


CGS 07 2nd place Halo2 4v4
CGS 08 2nd place Halo3 4v4
CGS 09 3rd Place Halo3 4v4
CGS 12 2nd place Halo:Reach 4v4 and Top12 FFA

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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 11:00AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Agreed.

Idk about calling her a dictator lol. But yeah, the valid points are here. I think the mindset should be switched, but even if it's not I hope more teams than just yours, Fiasco, come to the event. GLHF :D
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 11:11AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOND8n1wXas&feature=youtu.be
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 11:19AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Also if you have sand paper/the correct screwdriver/scissors
Then you can fix slow turn, I've fixed 2 myself and had a friend fix about 5.

All you do is open it up with the screwdriver, make sure you keep everything in one spot b/c it's very easy to lose screws/buttons/etc
Then use scissors to take off the plastic on your bottom right controller stuff (b/c it only slow turns on your bottom right stick and they have more plastic on wired then wireless on bottom right thumbstick or an excess to get slow turn). I thought I took off too much (too where when I moved my thumbstick to the right and I could see inside the controller) and still fixed the slow turn and worked great.

Again, plz re think this if you haven't already. While casual gamers probably won't check the forums there aren't too many fans of using the same equipment.

Also, I'd switch up the ffa b/c if it's like last time. Whoever signs up first for ffa will play each other. And most teams sign up at the same time meaning that teammates will play each other. I personally don't care but I'm sure others might.
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 11:24AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

LMAO Overkill :P Too good.
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 11:36AM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

Randomly when did Halo become the thing to talk about?


On topic. I will try again to talk to mike and Sam today. I wanna make solid plans for this weekend.
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Post Date: 01/30/12 @ 1:30PM Topic: Re: 2012 Official HALO Reach 4v4 Rules

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