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(READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"
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anon
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:23PM Topic: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

Relax for a moment as I set the stage for you...
It's CGS 2013. It's been fun every year before and only one of those years really had a great year for PC tournaments. This year was going to be special. There were 3 PC shooters this year all taking place at the same time. This meant that not only could regular attendees play and have a good chance at placing in a tournament but also have a good chance at winning a nice prize at the end of the event. Each tournament was scheduled to start at 11:00 and end at 6:00. Cool, should be lots of fun right... this is where things go south... fast.

Showing up to the PC room, one quickly discovers that CS:GO and UT3 have been delayed or for anyone’s immediate guess... canceled. About 15min. later some are informed that the UT3 tournament would begin in about 30min. Ha! While the TF2 teams are slugging it out, UT3 is delayed for 2 hours.

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Let’s take a quick break from the story to do a little homework on the TF2 competition shall we.
I know I did, and this is why.

First we have the more notable "GxZ". Well, turns out they recently just won themselves and their school some loot from the NVIDIA Call of Duty Black-Ops 2 Rivalries Competition in Cali. placing 1st. Hmmm... I have nothing against them for this and I congratulate them on their success, but one could see a good reason to not play in a specific tournament with them if they wanted a chance to compete with others on their own level.

Second group I researched afterward was "Free Real Estate". Probably the most noteworthy player is Vaah. No doubt he is a very skilled player but for their team to make it through to the end was a little amusing. I remember at one point, Belarus (Jennifer Young) making a very loud comment that someone should suck her... Di**... well... you get the point I'm trying to get across. That wasn’t the most vulgar thing I heard though. So glad that little kid in the hallway was around to hear that. She wasn't the only one guilty of that but that’s just what stuck around in my head afterwards.

Then you have groups of friends that registered for their tournament, handled themselves like decent human beings, played and then went about their business. So glad those kinds of teams still exist.

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Back to our original story. The reason I bring these things to light is that here are how the tournament standings ended.

Team Fortress 2
First Place:
Team free real estate
Belarus (Jennifer Young)
Vaah (Nate Kellum)
whopper (John Stubbs)
Oddish (Stephan Loehr)

Second Place:
Team GxZ + 3
vVvGxZ (Matthew Mangelli)
olmek2 (mike breaux)
vVvNoxie (Michael Mangelli)
ezAl (Allen Kaleel)

Third Place:
Team Drop The Hammer
Gnomepolean (Cameron Gagne)
Cauterize (Jared Savage)
Surfdudeboy (Robert Pettit)
MattTreck (Matthew Burgess)

Unreal Tournament 3
1st PLACE
Cammy D (Cameron Decker)
2st PLACE
Stephan "Oddish" Loehr
3st PLACE
Mattew "GxZ" Mangelli

Oh... and about that CS:GO tournament that was supposedly canceled. Guess what... the TF2 director tells everyone to leave the room after the UT3 tournament is over so they could discuss something. They didn’t say anything about CS:GO. So I left and hung out in the main building till final ceremony.

GUESS... JUST GUESS what they did, they pulled a rabbit out of the hat and decided after the fact that CS:GO was canceled to DO IT ANYWAY... and guess who won that tournament too. THE SAME PEOPLE!!!
Do you see where I'm going with this? Do you see the pattern in these standings? I hope some of you that won in multiple tournaments feel a little bad about yourselves. I brought this up to an official at the event and they didn't seem to understand where I was coming from. They said "well, it’s a community event. You can register in as many events as you want" WTF? Why oh why then do you have registration and time limits on your registration page then? I believe this team GxZ was also in the Black Ops tournament. HOW???? Their PC tournament went from 11:00 to 6:00! They bent the rules to make "THEM" happy.

I almost decided to not write this but now that I'm back at this point, I remember why I was so pissed off. It was because I so was pissed on.

Due to multiple people rushing a single guy trying to run 3 PC tournaments, rules got changed and people got screwed. Even if it were not me it could have been someone else that had half a brain, planed their best course for a win and executed on it.

Because I can’t recall for sure... If there was anybody or any team that won and only played in their tournament that they registered for... well... congratulations. I honestly congratulate you on being a great player and a great person.

On a final note. I do want to say that I did have a great time everywhere else during the event. The speakers were good. The music and the Harp Twins were fantastic, even with the occasional idiot yelling out during the performance.

To sum all this up into a neat little package that's easy to understand... Set your rules, stick to them and if you have a problem with it... GTFO

Cheers
I stand for the little guys

[Edited on 02/03/13 @ 9:33PM]
ansile
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:32PM Topic: Re: (I PRAY EVERYONE READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

Uh.....we're a bunch of students from Greenville. Sorry that they're better at games than you. Not like any of them are pros. It's sad how jelly you are.
joe.
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:34PM Topic: Re: (I PRAY EVERYONE READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

First note:

Team GxZ never competed in any Blops 2 tournament at CGS this year. At all. So please disregard that.

Second note:

It has always been the fashion of CGS to allow for 1 game registration online, and then multiple game registration at the event in person, using an alternate account (I have been given the personal OK from multiple personal at CGS for multiple years now to do this if I wanted to compete in multiple tournaments).

Third note:
Just because you are national champions in the CoD Blops 2 team should not make you ineligible to play or anything even close to that. Last year at CGS 2012, Halo professionals were flown in from Florida if I remember correctly. It's an open event; don't complain about who shows up.

Fourth note:
Just because a decent size group of friends can win in multiple tournaments because they are part of a larger organization that allows them practice times, practice partners, etc. etc. doesn't mean that anyone was catered to, or anything was rigged. These players put in hours upon hours of practice to win these tournaments, just like all the other competitors; they just happened to be able to win at multiple events.
Belarus
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:39PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

I never cursed while the kid was in the room. As soon as I was alerted to his presence I toned it down. Sorry about your virgin ears.


I'm also sorry that my team completely pooped on yours. My bad, we play this game competitively and we take it seriously. If you want thrills go play in 24/7 2Fort.
vVvNoxie
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:40PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

Hey, I am Michael Mangelli, GxZ's older brother.

We specifically came for Counterstrike Global Offensive. We let the organizer (Michael Everett) know this way in advance. You can only imagine how upset we were when we had members on our team that specifically bought the game and only came because of this. We traveled to the event with out any email or any type of notification it was canceled.

We did win black ops in Cali. No we did not complete in black ops at CGS. We were in the PC room the whole day. We HAD to do UT3 and TF2 because the event we came for got pulled out from underneath us. After talking with official and Michael Everett himself he said he would help us out.

Let me stress to you that CGS didnt even BUY the games but we all had them on our own steam accounts. We were ALREADY registered for the tournament.

I see you made a new account to post this. I guess maybe I am not scared to make such bold statements. Before calling out myself or my brother please be aware that we did not cheat. We are better, and it is a gaming tournament.

You sir seem to be really mad. See you next year.
whopper
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:47PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

I like your style mike.
badhair
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:47PM Topic: Re: (I PRAY EVERYONE READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

This is a little harsh but I can see where you're coming from. I have no problem with you standing for what you think is right or for what IS right. Seems like this year wasn't the best year for CGS. I'm sure that there have been enough complaints about this year that they get the point. But then again, maybe this might be the real hard hitter to make them realize their mistakes.

In general I'm just saying I'm sure we hit the nail on the head. Right about now I'm sure which ever staff member that's reading all these comments is probably feeling like crap. I would if I saw that a good amount of people making remarks about what a failure an event I'm holding went. Of course we do say I still had a good time and I will come back next year, but is it best to keep beating them down in the ground, or help them up brush them off and move to next year.

For us, its naturally easier to point out the bad faults vs the good. Don't get me wrong. Yeah some events were handled poorly. I'm just saying I think they probably need more encouragement to do better rather than complaints. Complaints are good up til a certain point.

[Edited on 02/03/13 @ 9:48PM]
Vaah

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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:51PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

When a tournament is being held at an event this size (a regional), you should expect teams to exist that far outmatch others to be there with the mindset to win. If you want a more new player-friendly environment, I'd look into www.tf2lobbies.com or http://www.ugcleague.com . On the note of the tournament times: The PC tournaments for this year were listed as being from 11-6 since I first registered. This had nothing to do with our teams, rather it was in place to allow for leeway since 3 PC tournaments were to be played in the same small, incredibly cramped room. No rules were 'bent' for these tournaments and every tournament listed was within the times shown (11-6).

On a personal note: I find it sad and cowardly that you would make a post like this, calling people out with their full names, while hiding behind a newly created anonymous account.

Quick edit: Say what you will about profanity,the "Suck my dick" that the poster mentions was not cross-team trash-talking, but directed at me and was nothing more than banter. Not to mention as soon as there were children in the room, the language was toned down immediately.

[Edited on 02/03/13 @ 9:56PM]
anon
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 9:56PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

I'm sorry for raging a bit at the end but you must understand, and this was told to me by a staff "this is a community event" Not hardcore gamers event. It should be competitive by all. And when they let multiple top winning teams play in all three tournaments, when if the second tournament director had shown up then this would not have even been an issue.

Aside from this I apologize about the GxZ and Black Ops tournament comment. My mistake.
joe.
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 10:03PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

It is a community event; and though it sucks, top level players are a part of the community too. I know in starcraft 2 the last few years, the winner was a semi-professional player (Picked up by a pro team, but still in school). Like I said, it is definitely a community gamer event, it just happens to be that the largest competitive gaming group in the south east happened to be an hour away from the event :/
whopper
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 10:08PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

I know it sucks to lose, but you have to understand that people who are good at the game will come to events to play games they like. I am astonished that very casual players come to an event this big and expect to win and not see highly competitive teams there.
anon
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 10:12PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

Here is what I hope staff will take from this then. Like I said at the end of my post:

Set your rules, stick to them and if you have a problem with it... GTFO

The rules are unclear. Change them and make them fit the mold. Obviously, everyone was told a bunch of different things from lots of different people.

I am truly sorry for calling Belarus out. I just remember passing back by the room and hearing that and again... I raged and just typed it. Sorry... I'm sure on any other terms your a very cool person. You certainly are a great player.

And at the end it's not the players I'm raged at, its the organization. Again... sorry for making some of this personal but it was just flowing from my fingers without a cap on top.
badhair
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 10:25PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

Maybe another suggestion would be to split up the tournaments...one for hardcore "wanna be pro" players and another or casual gamers who think they stand a chance against other casual gamers. So they would have a Hardcore Tournament and a Casual Tournament for the same game. There's a couple loop holes like if someone was a jerk on pro level and joined the casual just to win.
anon
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 10:43PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

BadHair, thanks for having a cooler head than I do. Something like that would make the tournaments much more enjoyable for all participants.
anon
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 11:12PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

This will probably be my last comment on this post. I wanted to apologize one final time to all the players in the tournaments. It wasn't anyone of you guys fault. Sorry I raged. I just hope that the tournament directors will clear up what they mean when they construct the tournaments so there will be no cross communication from multiple people with different goals on running a single tournament.
badhair
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Post Date: 02/03/13 @ 11:56PM Topic: Re: (READS THIS) PC Tournaments... more like "Cheap Kills no Thrills"

No problem Anon. We all get frustrated sometimes and we have to let it all out just to feel better or come to a realization. I'm sure CGS will make changes for the better for next years tournaments. I hope to see you around then.
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